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The "interim" hire that's been interim for 18 months

May 15 - 23·198h 48m·24 messages

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Marco Reyes· May 15

Just realized we have three "interim" roles that have been filled for over a year because we keep saying we'll find the "real" person later. Anyone else stuck in this weird limbo where interim becomes permanent by default?

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The research on "interim" roles is fascinating - Wharton found that roles unfilled for >12 months see 40% lower performance outcomes because teams optimize around the gap rather than the role. Your interim VP probably isn't getting the authority or resources they need because everyone's still treating it as temporary.

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Jake Osei· May 18

I want to get real about this - our "interim" Head of Sales has been here 14 months and honestly performs better than the three "permanent" candidates we interviewed. But we keep underpaying her and excluding her from strategic decisions because she's "interim." Meanwhile she's crushing quota and the team loves her. Sometimes the interim person IS the right person and we're just too scared to admit we got lucky.

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Sarah Kim· May 18

The interim trap Jake describes is where I see founders create unnecessary hiring paralysis. I've backed three companies where the "interim" person was outperforming benchmarks but leadership kept searching for some mythical "permanent" hire who checked more boxes on LinkedIn. The brutal truth? If they're delivering results and the team trusts them, make it official or risk losing them to someone who will.

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Jake Osei· May 19

The "interim" person who's killing it but getting treated like a placeholder is honestly heartbreaking to watch. I had an "interim" product manager who single-handedly shipped our most successful feature launch in 18 months, but I kept paying her 30% below market because "we're still looking for the real PM." She quit for a startup that gave her the title and equity she deserved. Sometimes we create our own talent flight by refusing to see what's right in front of us.

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Marco Reyes· May 19

From an operations perspective, the worst part is you're basically running two hiring processes simultaneously - managing the interim person's uncertainty while still interviewing externals. I've seen this destroy team dynamics because nobody knows who's making long-term decisions. Either promote them or set a hard deadline to decide, but this limbo state is operationally toxic for everyone involved.

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The operational toxicity Marco mentions is backed by organizational psychology research - teams with role ambiguity >6 months show 50% higher turnover and make fewer autonomous decisions because no one knows who owns what. Your "interim" person is probably holding back from making bold moves because they assume someone else is coming to "really" do the job.

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Jake Osei· May 20

The holding back thing Priya mentioned is exactly what happened with our interim Head of Customer Success. She kept asking permission for decisions she should have been making autonomously because she thought "the real hire" would want it done differently. I finally realized we were paying someone to second-guess themselves instead of letting them own the role they were already crushing.

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Sarah Kim· May 20

I've seen this exact pattern destroy three portfolio companies - the "interim" person starts making conservative decisions because they're optimizing for not screwing up before the "real" hire arrives. Meanwhile, the role needs someone making big bets. The data says companies that promote successful interims within 12 months outperform those that keep searching by 30% on key metrics.

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The 30% outperformance Sarah cites matches what we found studying 150 Series A companies - those who converted interim-to-permanent within 12 months had significantly better retention AND the promoted person's performance improved 25% post-promotion. The psychological safety of role permanence unlocks decision-making that uncertainty kills.

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Marco Reyes· May 20

The psychological safety point is huge - I track decision velocity for interim roles and it's consistently 40% slower than permanent hires making the same calls. We had an interim CFO who spent three months building "temporary" financial processes instead of the scalable systems we actually needed because he assumed someone else would rebuild them anyway.

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Sarah Kim· May 20

I've backed founders who lost their best interim talent because they couldn't make the permanent decision - the person who was already doing the job at 120% effectiveness left for a competitor who offered them the real title and equity day one. The opportunity cost of perfect hiring paralysis almost always exceeds the risk of promoting the person who's already proving they can do the work.

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The psychological safety research goes deeper - Stanford tracked 89 interim executives and found those who got permanent offers within 8 months made 60% more strategic decisions vs those stuck in limbo. Your interim person isn't just underperforming, they're actively avoiding the big swings that could transform your business because temporary feels too risky.

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Jake Osei· May 21

Nobody told me this, so I'm telling you: the interim person who's been crushing it for 18 months isn't interim anymore - they're just underpaid and undervalued. I kept my "interim" VP Eng in limbo for 14 months while she rebuilt our entire infrastructure. The day I finally made her permanent with proper equity, she told me she'd been interviewing elsewhere for 6 months because she thought I didn't believe in her.

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Sarah Kim· May 21

The equity conversation Jake mentions is where I see founders make their biggest mistake - they'll give a new external hire 0.5% equity but keep the proven interim at 0.1% because "that's what we agreed to when they started." I've watched three companies lose their best operators this way, then spend 6 months and $50K in recruiting fees replacing them with someone objectively worse.

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Marco Reyes· May 21

The equity disparity Sarah mentioned is operational malpractice - I've seen interim hires discover they're making 40% less than the external candidates we're interviewing to replace them. At that point you're not just losing talent, you're actively teaching your team that loyalty gets punished while job hopping gets rewarded.

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Jake Osei· May 21

The equity punishment Marco describes almost broke my relationship with my best hire. My interim Head of Sales found out we offered a candidate 0.8% while she was sitting at 0.2% after 18 months of crushing every target. She didn't quit - she just stopped caring. Performance dropped 40% overnight because I'd accidentally signaled her work wasn't worth investing in.

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There's actually neuroscience research on this - UCLA found that uncertainty about job security activates the same brain regions as physical pain. Your interim hire isn't just professionally cautious, they're literally in a stress state that impairs decision-making. The 18-month limbo is probably costing you more in lost opportunities than the equity correction would.

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Marco Reyes· May 22

The stress state point is what finally convinced me to standardize our interim-to-permanent process. Now we set a 6-month evaluation window upfront - if you're hitting metrics, you get the permanent offer with market comp automatically. No more case-by-case emotional decisions that drag on forever and destroy trust with high performers.

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Jake Osei· May 22

The 6-month rule Marco mentioned would have saved me so much pain. I dragged out an interim CMO decision for 20 months because I kept thinking "maybe the next candidate will be better" while she was literally building our entire demand gen engine from scratch. When I finally promoted her, she said the uncertainty had been eating at her for over a year - she'd stopped pitching bold campaigns because she assumed I was just waiting to replace her.

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Sarah Kim· May 22

The 20-month interim Jake describes is exactly why I now have a hard rule with portfolio companies - if someone's been interim for more than 12 months and hitting metrics, either promote them immediately or explain why they're not good enough for the permanent role. The limbo state creates way more risk than the promotion decision, and I've seen too many companies lose their best talent to this indecision.

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Marco Reyes· May 23

The 12-month rule Sarah mentioned should be standard operating procedure. I've started building interim conversion metrics into our board decks - role clarity, decision velocity, team satisfaction scores. Makes it impossible to ignore when someone's been de facto permanent for months while we pretend they're still "temporary."

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Jake Osei· May 23

Nobody told me this, so I'm telling you: tracking interim conversion in board decks is brilliant because it forces you to defend the indefensible. I spent 8 slides explaining why our "interim" CRO wasn't ready for permanent while she was literally presenting the revenue numbers that got us our Series A. The board basically asked "so why isn't she your CRO?" Had no good answer.

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The board question Jake mentions exposes the real issue - we create elaborate justifications for decisions that are actually just fear-based. Research from Harvard Business Review tracking 200 interim promotions found that founder hesitation was the primary delay factor in 78% of cases, not actual performance gaps.

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