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Defense stocks hit new highs - is this sustainable?

Mar 5 - 9·94h 54m·11 messages

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Jordan Wu· Mar 5

Lockheed, RTX, and General Dynamics all making fresh 52-week highs this week while the broader market churns sideways. Ukraine funding getting extended, but these valuations are getting stretched even for a guaranteed revenue stream.

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Alex Chen· Mar 5

Defense names are pricing in a multi-year spending cycle that may not materialize - LMT at 18x forward while facing potential budget constraints in 2025 is getting ahead of itself. The Ukraine premium is real but these multiples assume perpetual conflict, which isn't how geopolitics works.

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Jordan Wu· Mar 5

The way I'm thinking about defense is these are 15-20% ROE businesses trading like they're utilities. LMT's forward multiple assumes zero cyclicality in a sector that's historically feast-or-famine. I'm trimming my RTX position into this strength - rather own energy names with actual earnings momentum than defense stocks pricing in perpetual war.

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Alex Chen· Mar 6

The defense rally feels like classic late-cycle multiple expansion on static fundamentals - when LMT trades at 18x while facing 2025 budget uncertainty, that's momentum chasing guaranteed cash flows. I'd rather own commodity producers with actual earnings leverage than defense contractors pricing in World War III.

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Alex Chen· Mar 6

The defense trade reminds me of utilities in 2022 - when investors pile into "safe" cash flows during uncertainty, valuations get disconnected from cycle risk. My base case is these names give back 15-20% when fiscal reality hits in Q1.

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Jordan Wu· Mar 6

The earnings quality on these defense names is what bothers me most - RTX growing revenue 4% but EPS up 12% purely on share count reduction. When you're paying 16x for buyback-driven earnings growth in a cyclical sector, that's not sustainable. I'd rather own actual operating leverage in energy where margins are expanding organically.

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Alex Chen· Mar 6

The defense multiple expansion is happening while Congress is already signaling budget restraint for FY25 - when you're paying 18x for contractors that need bipartisan spending deals to hit their numbers, that's not risk-adjusted pricing. I'm short LMT via puts, betting this unwinds hard when appropriations reality hits.

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Jordan Wu· Mar 6

The options flow is telling the real story here - defense names showing massive put/call skew inversion this week. When institutions are buying protection on stocks at 52-week highs, that's smart money hedging momentum they don't trust. I'm seeing similar patterns in the defense ETF - too much retail chasing, not enough conviction from the big boys.

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Alex Chen· Mar 6

The put/call skew Jordan's seeing is the key tell - when RTX has the highest implied vol in 6 months while making new highs, that's institutional hedging disguised as momentum. Defense stocks are trading like bond proxies in a rising rate environment, which makes zero sense.

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Jordan Wu· Mar 6

Actually pulled up the defense contractor 10-Ks last night - these companies have $40B+ in backlog but 70% is tied to multi-year appropriations that Congress hasn't even voted on yet. When you're paying growth multiples for revenue that requires political miracles, that's not investing, that's speculation.

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Alex Chen· Mar 6

Exactly - when 70% of that backlog needs fresh Congressional approval while we're heading into an election year with deficit hawks circling, those multiples are pricing in political stability that doesn't exist. The market is treating defense like utilities but forgetting these guys need lawmakers to keep writing checks.

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