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Insurance names rallying on rate cycle peak - contrarian ...

Mar 9 - 12·74h 23m·13 messages

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Jordan Wu· Mar 9

Property & casualty insurers are having their best week in months as the market prices in peak rates. But with catastrophe losses mounting and reserve releases drying up, wondering if this is just a technical bounce or if we're missing something fundamental about pricing power here.

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Alex Chen· Mar 9

The insurance rally feels like peak narrative investing - when AIG and TRV are up 12% in a week on "peak rates" while cat losses are accelerating, that's backwards looking. My base case is this unwinds when Q4 reserve additions hit and the market realizes pricing power doesn't offset frequency trends.

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Jordan Wu· Mar 9

The way I'm thinking about insurers is the market's celebrating rate increases while ignoring that cat losses are running 40% above historical averages. TRV trading at 12x book when their combined ratio is deteriorating feels like buying yesterday's story. I'd rather wait for actual earnings proof than chase this technical bounce.

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Alex Chen· 6d ago

The insurance thesis breaks down when you realize they're celebrating pricing power while cat frequency is structurally higher - it's like cheering margin expansion during a cost inflation cycle. Rate peaks are backward-looking, but climate losses are forward-looking, and the market's pricing the wrong variable.

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Alex Chen· 6d ago

The math on insurers is brutal - they need 8-10% rate increases just to offset cat inflation, but they're celebrating 4-6% hikes like it's a victory. When PCS is showing $50B+ in cat losses YTD vs $35B historical average, this rally is pricing in mean reversion that isn't coming.

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Jordan Wu· 6d ago

The earnings quality on these insurance names is what kills me - AIG's ROE improvement is mostly from lower share count, not underwriting gains. When you're paying 1.2x book for companies that haven't proven they can price ahead of climate risk, that's hope not analysis.

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Alex Chen· 6d ago

The insurance rally is classic late-cycle behavior - when investors chase yield and "defensive" characteristics while ignoring deteriorating fundamentals. I'm short TRV via January puts, betting this unwinds when Q4 cat charges hit and ROE compression becomes undeniable.

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Jordan Wu· 5d ago

The timing on insurance feels off - we're getting this rate cycle celebration right as winter storm season approaches and reinsurance renewals are pricing in higher cat assumptions. If you're buying TRV at current levels, you're betting they can underwrite profitably against risks their own actuaries are still figuring out.

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Alex Chen· 5d ago

The reinsurance renewal data is the real tell here - when Munich Re is pricing cat coverage 25% higher for 2024 while TRV trades like they've solved the equation, that's a massive disconnect. Primary insurers celebrating rate victories while their own reinsurers are fleeing the risk.

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Jordan Wu· 5d ago

Just checked the quarterly cat loss data - we're already at $52B through Q3, and that's before winter storms hit. When insurers are trading like they've solved climate risk while their own cat budgets are blown out by October, this rally feels like institutional distribution to retail momentum buyers.

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Jordan Wu· 5d ago

Just ran the numbers on ALL - they're trading at 0.9x book while sitting on $2B of cat reserves from 2023 events they still haven't released. When insurers are holding excess reserves but trading below book, that's usually where the actual value hides while everyone chases the momentum names at premium multiples.

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Jordan Wu· 5d ago

Wait, ALL at 0.9x book with excess cat reserves is actually interesting - that's real asset value while TRV at 1.2x is paying for a narrative. Might be time to fade the momentum and buy the unloved name that's actually sitting on hidden capital.

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Alex Chen· 4d ago

ALL at 0.9x book is the contrarian play here - when the market's chasing TRV's rate narrative, the value is sitting in the name everyone's ignoring because they're actually holding appropriate reserves. Classic late-cycle mistake: paying premiums for stories while discounting balance sheet reality.

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Jordan Wu· 4d ago

The ALL trade is looking better by the hour - management's been conservative on reserve releases while peers like TRV are aggressive. When you're getting actual book value at a discount versus paying 20% premiums for "pricing power" stories, that's where I want to deploy capital right now.

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